Discussion:
No Hard Feelings
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Mump
2011-09-13 20:51:41 UTC
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Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I set a
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but every
bit helps. Thanks.

Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
James Hepler
2011-09-15 13:41:31 UTC
Permalink
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of kickstarter
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff, but here's my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25 donation, are you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you overcome the
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR style deal
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate, arguably your
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people who didn't
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added value? It
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a liner note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get nothing tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets what, two
cd's? A CD and a shirt?

I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are "listener
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go to parker
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I set a
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but every
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
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Ross Grady
2011-09-15 13:50:10 UTC
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Yep. In more formalized investment environments, the folks who invest
upfront expect to get an additional return above and beyond what the random
shmoes who come along later will get. Kickstarter actually has a blog post
somewhere aimed at potential project starters which touches on this, but
it's clearly not required reading, inasmuch as way too many Kickstarter
projects seem to either go the full-charity route, or at the very least seem
to place a value on intangibles that's probably way too high in the context
of the local-music economy.

I especially like the ones where, say, small-time local bands who'd be lucky
to draw 30 people at the Cave put something like "personal concert at your
house!" way up at the top of the prize list.

I guess I should write a New Yorker Shouts & Murmurs piece wherein the
premium for a $3.00 donation is "I will make and serve you a cup of coffee"
and for $25 "I will personally take your order and deliver food and
beverages of your choice* to your table. (*standard menu items only,
please)"
Post by James Hepler
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of kickstarter
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff, but here's my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25 donation, are you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you overcome the
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR style deal
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate, arguably your
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people who didn't
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added value? It
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a liner note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get nothing tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets what, two
cd's? A CD and a shirt?
I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are "listener
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go to parker
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I set a
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but every
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
Post by Mump
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Joseph Churpek
2011-09-15 15:15:31 UTC
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Just one man's opinion... don't ever beg fans for money. In fact... unless
you can live off it, don't ever even charge for your recorded music.

Gig like crazy. Save gig money. Make your record. Share it with everyone.
Hopefully you get more supporters and the money will come back in the form
of people actually attending shows and if they really like you, you can
start selling other merch like shirts to superfans.

A CD, or record, or tape, or whatever... is two things: 1. A chance to share
your music, that is what it is all about right?. 2. A way to advertise your
live gig.

Why would anyone put a limit on #1 and #2 by putting a price on it? Why add
that barrier for potential listeners?

When it comes down to it... if Mump has enough support to get the disc put
out through kickstarter, good for him. But, rather than worrying about how
he makes it "fair" for the supporters who paid $25 instead $10... I think
instead he just needs to thank them until he's blue in the face, and then
not even charge for his music later. I doubt someone who'd give me $25 to
make a record would be too upset about me trying to share it with as many
people as possible.
Post by Ross Grady
Yep. In more formalized investment environments, the folks who invest
upfront expect to get an additional return above and beyond what the random
shmoes who come along later will get. Kickstarter actually has a blog post
somewhere aimed at potential project starters which touches on this, but
it's clearly not required reading, inasmuch as way too many Kickstarter
projects seem to either go the full-charity route, or at the very least seem
to place a value on intangibles that's probably way too high in the context
of the local-music economy.
I especially like the ones where, say, small-time local bands who'd be lucky
to draw 30 people at the Cave put something like "personal concert at your
house!" way up at the top of the prize list.
I guess I should write a New Yorker Shouts & Murmurs piece wherein the
premium for a $3.00 donation is "I will make and serve you a cup of coffee"
and for $25 "I will personally take your order and deliver food and
beverages of your choice* to your table. (*standard menu items only,
please)"
Post by James Hepler
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of kickstarter
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff, but here's my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25 donation, are you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you overcome the
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR style
deal
Post by James Hepler
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate, arguably your
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people who
didn't
Post by James Hepler
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added value? It
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a liner note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get nothing tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets what, two
cd's? A CD and a shirt?
I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are "listener
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go to
parker
Post by James Hepler
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I set a
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but every
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
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James Hepler
2011-09-16 14:56:37 UTC
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I'm not a fan of giving music away, although I definitely see your point. I
believe that if you incur expenses to create something, it's fair to expect
compensation for the goods produced. Then I see shirts for $15 or $25 for
one color on Gildan and freak out! It's all about balance. I think ten
bucks is fair for a CD or a shirt. We charge $15 for shirts that cost us
$11 to make (full color is spensive). And I think that's fair. I think for
me the bottom line is, if you give something away then it is YOU saying your
product has no value. I don't think that brings people into the fold. I
could be wrong.

And back to kickstarter, I happily donated money tot he P-90's campaign. $5
gets you a copy of the EP. Boom. Like a presale.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Joseph Churpek
Post by Joseph Churpek
Just one man's opinion... don't ever beg fans for money. In fact... unless
you can live off it, don't ever even charge for your recorded music.
Gig like crazy. Save gig money. Make your record. Share it with everyone.
Hopefully you get more supporters and the money will come back in the form
of people actually attending shows and if they really like you, you can
start selling other merch like shirts to superfans.
A CD, or record, or tape, or whatever... is two things: 1. A chance to share
your music, that is what it is all about right?. 2. A way to advertise your
live gig.
Why would anyone put a limit on #1 and #2 by putting a price on it? Why add
that barrier for potential listeners?
When it comes down to it... if Mump has enough support to get the disc put
out through kickstarter, good for him. But, rather than worrying about how
he makes it "fair" for the supporters who paid $25 instead $10... I think
instead he just needs to thank them until he's blue in the face, and then
not even charge for his music later. I doubt someone who'd give me $25 to
make a record would be too upset about me trying to share it with as many
people as possible.
Post by Ross Grady
Yep. In more formalized investment environments, the folks who invest
upfront expect to get an additional return above and beyond what the
random
Post by Ross Grady
shmoes who come along later will get. Kickstarter actually has a blog
post
Post by Ross Grady
somewhere aimed at potential project starters which touches on this, but
it's clearly not required reading, inasmuch as way too many Kickstarter
projects seem to either go the full-charity route, or at the very least seem
to place a value on intangibles that's probably way too high in the
context
Post by Ross Grady
of the local-music economy.
I especially like the ones where, say, small-time local bands who'd be lucky
to draw 30 people at the Cave put something like "personal concert at
your
Post by Ross Grady
house!" way up at the top of the prize list.
I guess I should write a New Yorker Shouts & Murmurs piece wherein the
premium for a $3.00 donation is "I will make and serve you a cup of
coffee"
Post by Ross Grady
and for $25 "I will personally take your order and deliver food and
beverages of your choice* to your table. (*standard menu items only,
please)"
Post by James Hepler
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of kickstarter
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff, but
here's
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25 donation,
are
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you overcome
the
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR style
deal
Post by James Hepler
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate, arguably
your
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people who
didn't
Post by James Hepler
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added value?
It
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a liner note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get nothing tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets what, two
cd's? A CD and a shirt?
I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are "listener
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go to
parker
Post by James Hepler
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I set a
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but every
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
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Joseph Churpek
2011-09-16 16:52:58 UTC
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I like this conversation and I see your point, "what does that say about the
value of a CD when it is free?"

My answer.... "the truth."

Remember when you used to hear all the time, "man, my car got broken into
and they stole all my cd's." That problem dropped off the earth half a
decade ago. The average listener is not a physical copy fetishist, and the
listeners who are probably prefer wax. For most people now, CD's are the
packaging you take home to rip your new mp3's from. (So why not just give
out download codes? Because people are lazy... that's another topic).

The truth is, unless you're the Beatles and aren't worried about making new
fans, the value of the CD is all on YOUR end. It's not valuable anymore for
a listener to own your cd when they don't collect cd's anymore. You just
need to get your music in their hands, period. Charging for a CD is now like
asking a girl on a date and following up her "yes" with "ok, that'll be 10
bucks."

But I really like your response, and it has pushed me to think even further
about how to make that disc valuable for them. I say personalize it. If
you're giving it out a show, ask their name, write a thank you note on it.
(I'm not saying Autograph it, Bono). I'm saying to make it valuable by
giving it sentimental value that will tie back to a place in time for
them... "we" may not be CD collectors anymore, but every tourist town is
still full of magnets, snow globes and other kitsch. We like to make our
experiences real by having a physical token to prove it. Just a thought... a
weird one? Yah... but we (musicians) need to be thinking out of the box
because the entire music economy changed overnight. Ok choir, sermon over...
Post by James Hepler
I'm not a fan of giving music away, although I definitely see your point.
I
believe that if you incur expenses to create something, it's fair to expect
compensation for the goods produced. Then I see shirts for $15 or $25 for
one color on Gildan and freak out! It's all about balance. I think ten
bucks is fair for a CD or a shirt. We charge $15 for shirts that cost us
$11 to make (full color is spensive). And I think that's fair. I think for
me the bottom line is, if you give something away then it is YOU saying your
product has no value. I don't think that brings people into the fold. I
could be wrong.
And back to kickstarter, I happily donated money tot he P-90's campaign.
$5
gets you a copy of the EP. Boom. Like a presale.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Joseph Churpek
Post by Joseph Churpek
Just one man's opinion... don't ever beg fans for money. In fact...
unless
Post by Joseph Churpek
you can live off it, don't ever even charge for your recorded music.
Gig like crazy. Save gig money. Make your record. Share it with everyone.
Hopefully you get more supporters and the money will come back in the
form
Post by Joseph Churpek
of people actually attending shows and if they really like you, you can
start selling other merch like shirts to superfans.
A CD, or record, or tape, or whatever... is two things: 1. A chance to share
your music, that is what it is all about right?. 2. A way to advertise
your
Post by Joseph Churpek
live gig.
Why would anyone put a limit on #1 and #2 by putting a price on it? Why
add
Post by Joseph Churpek
that barrier for potential listeners?
When it comes down to it... if Mump has enough support to get the disc
put
Post by Joseph Churpek
out through kickstarter, good for him. But, rather than worrying about
how
Post by Joseph Churpek
he makes it "fair" for the supporters who paid $25 instead $10... I think
instead he just needs to thank them until he's blue in the face, and then
not even charge for his music later. I doubt someone who'd give me $25 to
make a record would be too upset about me trying to share it with as many
people as possible.
Post by Ross Grady
Yep. In more formalized investment environments, the folks who invest
upfront expect to get an additional return above and beyond what the
random
Post by Ross Grady
shmoes who come along later will get. Kickstarter actually has a blog
post
Post by Ross Grady
somewhere aimed at potential project starters which touches on this,
but
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
it's clearly not required reading, inasmuch as way too many Kickstarter
projects seem to either go the full-charity route, or at the very least seem
to place a value on intangibles that's probably way too high in the
context
Post by Ross Grady
of the local-music economy.
I especially like the ones where, say, small-time local bands who'd be lucky
to draw 30 people at the Cave put something like "personal concert at
your
Post by Ross Grady
house!" way up at the top of the prize list.
I guess I should write a New Yorker Shouts & Murmurs piece wherein the
premium for a $3.00 donation is "I will make and serve you a cup of
coffee"
Post by Ross Grady
and for $25 "I will personally take your order and deliver food and
beverages of your choice* to your table. (*standard menu items only,
please)"
Post by James Hepler
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of kickstarter
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff, but
here's
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25 donation,
are
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you overcome
the
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR style
deal
Post by James Hepler
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate, arguably
your
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people who
didn't
Post by James Hepler
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added value?
It
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a
liner
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get nothing tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets what,
two
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
cd's? A CD and a shirt?
I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are "listener
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go to
parker
Post by James Hepler
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I set
a
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but every
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
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scotty sandwich
2011-09-16 16:58:15 UTC
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I don't think there is anything wrong with giving music away for free,
though I guess since I run a digital donation based label i may biased.
That being said we've taken unknown artists, released free music, got them
press and they have moved on to legitimate mid sized indie labels.



On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Churpek
Post by Joseph Churpek
I like this conversation and I see your point, "what does that say about the
value of a CD when it is free?"
My answer.... "the truth."
Remember when you used to hear all the time, "man, my car got broken into
and they stole all my cd's." That problem dropped off the earth half a
decade ago. The average listener is not a physical copy fetishist, and the
listeners who are probably prefer wax. For most people now, CD's are the
packaging you take home to rip your new mp3's from. (So why not just give
out download codes? Because people are lazy... that's another topic).
The truth is, unless you're the Beatles and aren't worried about making new
fans, the value of the CD is all on YOUR end. It's not valuable anymore for
a listener to own your cd when they don't collect cd's anymore. You just
need to get your music in their hands, period. Charging for a CD is now like
asking a girl on a date and following up her "yes" with "ok, that'll be 10
bucks."
But I really like your response, and it has pushed me to think even further
about how to make that disc valuable for them. I say personalize it. If
you're giving it out a show, ask their name, write a thank you note on it.
(I'm not saying Autograph it, Bono). I'm saying to make it valuable by
giving it sentimental value that will tie back to a place in time for
them... "we" may not be CD collectors anymore, but every tourist town is
still full of magnets, snow globes and other kitsch. We like to make our
experiences real by having a physical token to prove it. Just a thought... a
weird one? Yah... but we (musicians) need to be thinking out of the box
because the entire music economy changed overnight. Ok choir, sermon over...
Post by James Hepler
I'm not a fan of giving music away, although I definitely see your point.
I
believe that if you incur expenses to create something, it's fair to
expect
Post by James Hepler
compensation for the goods produced. Then I see shirts for $15 or $25
for
Post by James Hepler
one color on Gildan and freak out! It's all about balance. I think ten
bucks is fair for a CD or a shirt. We charge $15 for shirts that cost us
$11 to make (full color is spensive). And I think that's fair. I think for
me the bottom line is, if you give something away then it is YOU saying your
product has no value. I don't think that brings people into the fold. I
could be wrong.
And back to kickstarter, I happily donated money tot he P-90's campaign.
$5
gets you a copy of the EP. Boom. Like a presale.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Joseph Churpek
Post by Joseph Churpek
Just one man's opinion... don't ever beg fans for money. In fact...
unless
Post by Joseph Churpek
you can live off it, don't ever even charge for your recorded music.
Gig like crazy. Save gig money. Make your record. Share it with
everyone.
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Hopefully you get more supporters and the money will come back in the
form
Post by Joseph Churpek
of people actually attending shows and if they really like you, you can
start selling other merch like shirts to superfans.
A CD, or record, or tape, or whatever... is two things: 1. A chance to share
your music, that is what it is all about right?. 2. A way to advertise
your
Post by Joseph Churpek
live gig.
Why would anyone put a limit on #1 and #2 by putting a price on it? Why
add
Post by Joseph Churpek
that barrier for potential listeners?
When it comes down to it... if Mump has enough support to get the disc
put
Post by Joseph Churpek
out through kickstarter, good for him. But, rather than worrying about
how
Post by Joseph Churpek
he makes it "fair" for the supporters who paid $25 instead $10... I
think
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
instead he just needs to thank them until he's blue in the face, and
then
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
not even charge for his music later. I doubt someone who'd give me $25
to
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
make a record would be too upset about me trying to share it with as
many
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
people as possible.
Post by Ross Grady
Yep. In more formalized investment environments, the folks who invest
upfront expect to get an additional return above and beyond what the
random
Post by Ross Grady
shmoes who come along later will get. Kickstarter actually has a blog
post
Post by Ross Grady
somewhere aimed at potential project starters which touches on this,
but
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
it's clearly not required reading, inasmuch as way too many
Kickstarter
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
projects seem to either go the full-charity route, or at the very
least
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
seem
to place a value on intangibles that's probably way too high in the
context
Post by Ross Grady
of the local-music economy.
I especially like the ones where, say, small-time local bands who'd
be
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
lucky
to draw 30 people at the Cave put something like "personal concert at
your
Post by Ross Grady
house!" way up at the top of the prize list.
I guess I should write a New Yorker Shouts & Murmurs piece wherein
the
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
premium for a $3.00 donation is "I will make and serve you a cup of
coffee"
Post by Ross Grady
and for $25 "I will personally take your order and deliver food and
beverages of your choice* to your table. (*standard menu items only,
please)"
Post by James Hepler
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of kickstarter
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff, but
here's
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25
donation,
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
are
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you
overcome
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
the
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR
style
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
deal
Post by James Hepler
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate,
arguably
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
your
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people who
didn't
Post by James Hepler
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added
value?
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
It
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a
liner
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get nothing
tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets what,
two
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
cd's? A CD and a shirt?
I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are
"listener
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go
to
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
parker
Post by James Hepler
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I
set
Post by James Hepler
a
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not. I
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but
every
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
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2011-09-20 18:24:57 UTC
Permalink
I decided that this was a good way to cater to the evolution of my
career as it stands.My friends and family can help me out if they
wish. The music that results from this will be free to everyone,
regardless of donation. But some people like to have a real live CD in
their hands and they can have one with a donation. Whoever gives the
most will have me write a song of their tailoring. Their subject,
their style. I can do it so I offer it to someone who might like it
done for them.

Frankly it's just another route up the slippery slope of dead, puffy,
bloated bodies to the top of the imaginary mountain that reaches its
peak at a thing called "love and acceptance".
Adam Lindstaedt
2011-09-23 16:02:51 UTC
Permalink
I believe there is value in giving your music away for free since it gives
fans a chance to become familiar with your music without first buying the
album. I lost track of how many cds i bought back in the day only to be
thoroughly disappointed with 13 of the 15 tracks.

When I receive a free album DL, I am much more likely to purchase some sort
of merch from the artist at their show. If they are selling a live recording
of that night, I am even more inclined to buy. And buying directly from the
artist at a show gives them a better profit margin than selling on any
website (Scotty: correct me if I'm wrong).

I would say roughly half the shows I attend are a result of me hearing an
unknown band via a free download that caught my interest. If I never heard
their music before, why would I care if they are coming through town and buy
a ticket to their show?

I do agree that giving your music away for free can be a slippery slope, as
with any free-mium product or service model. Using free music to spark
interest is a good idea only if there is a follow up plan to capitalize on
the listener's new found interest in your music.


On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, scotty sandwich <
Post by scotty sandwich
I don't think there is anything wrong with giving music away for free,
though I guess since I run a digital donation based label i may biased.
That being said we've taken unknown artists, released free music, got them
press and they have moved on to legitimate mid sized indie labels.
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Joseph Churpek
Post by Joseph Churpek
I like this conversation and I see your point, "what does that say about the
value of a CD when it is free?"
My answer.... "the truth."
Remember when you used to hear all the time, "man, my car got broken into
and they stole all my cd's." That problem dropped off the earth half a
decade ago. The average listener is not a physical copy fetishist, and
the
Post by Joseph Churpek
listeners who are probably prefer wax. For most people now, CD's are the
packaging you take home to rip your new mp3's from. (So why not just give
out download codes? Because people are lazy... that's another topic).
The truth is, unless you're the Beatles and aren't worried about making
new
Post by Joseph Churpek
fans, the value of the CD is all on YOUR end. It's not valuable anymore
for
Post by Joseph Churpek
a listener to own your cd when they don't collect cd's anymore. You just
need to get your music in their hands, period. Charging for a CD is now like
asking a girl on a date and following up her "yes" with "ok, that'll be
10
Post by Joseph Churpek
bucks."
But I really like your response, and it has pushed me to think even
further
Post by Joseph Churpek
about how to make that disc valuable for them. I say personalize it. If
you're giving it out a show, ask their name, write a thank you note on
it.
Post by Joseph Churpek
(I'm not saying Autograph it, Bono). I'm saying to make it valuable by
giving it sentimental value that will tie back to a place in time for
them... "we" may not be CD collectors anymore, but every tourist town is
still full of magnets, snow globes and other kitsch. We like to make our
experiences real by having a physical token to prove it. Just a
thought...
Post by Joseph Churpek
a
weird one? Yah... but we (musicians) need to be thinking out of the box
because the entire music economy changed overnight. Ok choir, sermon over...
Post by James Hepler
I'm not a fan of giving music away, although I definitely see your
point.
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
I
believe that if you incur expenses to create something, it's fair to
expect
Post by James Hepler
compensation for the goods produced. Then I see shirts for $15 or $25
for
Post by James Hepler
one color on Gildan and freak out! It's all about balance. I think
ten
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
bucks is fair for a CD or a shirt. We charge $15 for shirts that cost
us
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
$11 to make (full color is spensive). And I think that's fair. I
think
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
for
me the bottom line is, if you give something away then it is YOU saying your
product has no value. I don't think that brings people into the fold.
I
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
could be wrong.
And back to kickstarter, I happily donated money tot he P-90's
campaign.
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
$5
gets you a copy of the EP. Boom. Like a presale.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Joseph Churpek
Post by Joseph Churpek
Just one man's opinion... don't ever beg fans for money. In fact...
unless
Post by Joseph Churpek
you can live off it, don't ever even charge for your recorded music.
Gig like crazy. Save gig money. Make your record. Share it with
everyone.
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Hopefully you get more supporters and the money will come back in the
form
Post by Joseph Churpek
of people actually attending shows and if they really like you, you
can
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
start selling other merch like shirts to superfans.
A CD, or record, or tape, or whatever... is two things: 1. A chance
to
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
share
your music, that is what it is all about right?. 2. A way to
advertise
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
your
Post by Joseph Churpek
live gig.
Why would anyone put a limit on #1 and #2 by putting a price on it?
Why
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
add
Post by Joseph Churpek
that barrier for potential listeners?
When it comes down to it... if Mump has enough support to get the
disc
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
put
Post by Joseph Churpek
out through kickstarter, good for him. But, rather than worrying
about
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
how
Post by Joseph Churpek
he makes it "fair" for the supporters who paid $25 instead $10... I
think
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
instead he just needs to thank them until he's blue in the face, and
then
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
not even charge for his music later. I doubt someone who'd give me
$25
Post by Joseph Churpek
to
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
make a record would be too upset about me trying to share it with as
many
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
people as possible.
Post by Ross Grady
Yep. In more formalized investment environments, the folks who
invest
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
upfront expect to get an additional return above and beyond what
the
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
random
Post by Ross Grady
shmoes who come along later will get. Kickstarter actually has a
blog
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
post
Post by Ross Grady
somewhere aimed at potential project starters which touches on
this,
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
but
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
it's clearly not required reading, inasmuch as way too many
Kickstarter
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
projects seem to either go the full-charity route, or at the very
least
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
seem
to place a value on intangibles that's probably way too high in the
context
Post by Ross Grady
of the local-music economy.
I especially like the ones where, say, small-time local bands who'd
be
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
lucky
to draw 30 people at the Cave put something like "personal concert
at
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
your
Post by Ross Grady
house!" way up at the top of the prize list.
I guess I should write a New Yorker Shouts & Murmurs piece wherein
the
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
premium for a $3.00 donation is "I will make and serve you a cup of
coffee"
Post by Ross Grady
and for $25 "I will personally take your order and deliver food and
beverages of your choice* to your table. (*standard menu items
only,
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
please)"
Post by James Hepler
I just have a philosophical question about this kind of
kickstarter
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
campaign. I've thought about trying to do one for some stuff,
but
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
here's
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
my
obstacle: If you are going to offer a "free" cd for a $25
donation,
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
are
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
you
going to charge the general public $25 as well? How do you
overcome
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
the
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
potential insult of asking for charity and then offering an NPR
style
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
deal
Post by James Hepler
where you end up charging the people kind enough to donate,
arguably
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
your
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
biggest fans, more for a product than you plan to charge people
who
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
didn't
Post by James Hepler
donate? I see the liner note thing, but is that really added
value?
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
It
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
doesn't cost you anything, nor is it more work to add a name to a
liner
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
note
or put a name in a song. And if someone gives $20 they get
nothing
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
tangible
in return? Someone who gives you $20 at the merch table gets
what,
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
two
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
cd's? A CD and a shirt?
I guess this is at the heart of my problem. All bands are
"listener
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
supported", but I see bands as straight up businesses. I won't go
to
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
parker
Post by James Hepler
and otis because they charge 8 bucks for an egg salad sandwich!
On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Mump <
Post by Mump
Hello. I'm trying to fund my 4th CD through Kickstarter.com. I
set
Post by James Hepler
a
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
goal, if i make it the donations go to my project. if not, not.
I
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
would appreciate any help. You can donate as little as $1 but
every
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
bit helps. Thanks.
Here's the link to my project. Thanks everyone.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by James Hepler
Post by Joseph Churpek
Post by Ross Grady
Post by James Hepler
Post by Mump
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Mump
2011-10-25 15:12:00 UTC
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Just bumping this because I have one week left in my campaign. Thank
you for your help.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-album

Also, does anyone here play trumpet or sax and have recording
capabilities in their home? I don't have enough $$ for both a studio
and the talent, but the music requires a jazzy trumpeter or
saxamaphone. Last time I got lucky with Ken Mosher but he doesn't do
that anymore that I know of. He was excellent.
Chris Clark
2011-10-25 15:36:42 UTC
Permalink
Gilbert didn't/doesn't know me from Adam, but back in the 1990s he loaned me
a bass amp when I was in a bind, and therefore I deem him to be worthy of
Kickstarter backing / saxaphoning / trumpeting (in case any of you are on
the fence and need a reason).


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To: ch-***@lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: No Hard Feelings

Just bumping this because I have one week left in my campaign. Thank
you for your help.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1693912192/no-hard-feelings-my-fourth-al
bum

Also, does anyone here play trumpet or sax and have recording
capabilities in their home? I don't have enough $$ for both a studio
and the talent, but the music requires a jazzy trumpeter or
saxamaphone. Last time I got lucky with Ken Mosher but he doesn't do
that anymore that I know of. He was excellent.

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Mump
2011-10-26 03:10:14 UTC
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Post by Chris Clark
Gilbert didn't/doesn't know me from Adam, but back in the 1990s he loaned me
a bass amp when I was in a bind, and therefore I deem him to be worthy of
Kickstarter backing / saxaphoning / trumpeting (in case any of you are on
the fence and need a reason).
Thank you very much. I do remember that and I hope your gig went well.
Mump
2011-11-23 00:14:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mump
Post by Chris Clark
Gilbert didn't/doesn't know me from Adam, but back in the 1990s he loaned me
a bass amp when I was in a bind, and therefore I deem him to be worthy of
Kickstarter backing / saxaphoning / trumpeting (in case any of you are on
the fence and need a reason).
Thank you very much. I do remember that and I hope your gig went well.
With your help and the help of others, I actually made it!!! Thank
you and to everyone who contributed.

James Hepler
2011-09-20 19:04:11 UTC
Permalink
I see what you're saying, but I still wonder about market value. Your
campaign places the value of $25 on a physical copy of a cd and the donors
name in the liner notes while at the same time placing a value of $0 on the
content itself. My logical side concludes that the value is all placed on a
few ouces of plastic (which the donor can buy for very cheap and allows the
person to make their own cd) and some artwork.

iwtdi raised capital before our last record came out by offering a
subscription package. Our next two records on cd or vinyl, a cd of
unreleased songs, and a bunch of goodies like stickers and homemade totes,
copies of our 7", etc, all for $30. It was a good way to get a quick cash
infusion while avoiding the risks that accompany kickstarter campaigns. It
allows our fans, friends, and family to feel a part of something "bigger"
without making us feel like we're taking advantage of anyone. Plus, it
doesn't all collapse if you don't hit your fundraising mark.

I've also considered a dividend/profit sharing model that would also help a
band raise capital, spreading the financial risk of a project evenly among a
group of "investors" based on what they want to contribute to the cause. I
believe midtown dickens tried such a thing. I'm afraid to try something like
that, if only because you dont want to let down your biggest supporters.

On Sep 20, 2011 2:30 PM, "Mump" <***@gmail.com> wrote:

I decided that this was a good way to cater to the evolution of my
career as it stands.My friends and family can help me out if they
wish. The music that results from this will be free to everyone,
regardless of donation. But some people like to have a real live CD in
their hands and they can have one with a donation. Whoever gives the
most will have me write a song of their tailoring. Their subject,
their style. I can do it so I offer it to someone who might like it
done for them.

Frankly it's just another route up the slippery slope of dead, puffy,
bloated bodies to the top of the imaginary mountain that reaches its
peak at a thing called "love and acceptance".









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Mump
2011-09-20 19:16:35 UTC
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Post by James Hepler
I see what you're saying, but I still wonder about market value. Your
campaign places the value of $25 on a physical copy of a cd and the donors
name in the liner notes while at the same time placing a value of $0 on the
content itself. My logical side concludes that the value is all placed on a
few ouces of plastic (which the donor can buy for very cheap and allows the
person to make their own cd) and some artwork.
iwtdi raised capital before our last record came out by offering a
subscription package. Our next two records on cd or vinyl, a cd of
unreleased songs, and a bunch of goodies like stickers and homemade totes,
copies of our 7", etc, all for $30. It was a good way to get a quick cash
infusion while avoiding the risks that accompany kickstarter campaigns. It
allows our fans, friends, and family to feel a part of something "bigger"
without making us feel like we're taking advantage of anyone. Plus, it
doesn't all collapse if you don't hit your fundraising mark.
I've also considered a dividend/profit sharing model that would also help a
band raise capital, spreading the financial risk of a project evenly among a
group of "investors" based on what they want to contribute to the cause. I
believe midtown dickens tried such a thing. I'm afraid to try something like
that, if only because you dont want to let down your biggest supporters.
I hear you James. But don't forget that your band's following, cachet
and the like dwarf my own by a considerable margin, and for good
reason. So the value of my tangible, released product is small. I am
counting on the support of the folks back home who aren't as savvy as
the folks you probably encounter every weekend. Having said that,
perhaps I could modify my approach in that regard. Probably a good
idea. Thanks.
Dave Yarwood
2011-09-20 19:17:43 UTC
Permalink
I think selling exclusive content can be a good way to raise money -
Antibubbles did that with our last 7". It happened to be December when we
were looking at placing the order for the records, so we recorded an
exclusive "xmas EP" where we did ridiculous covers of xmas songs, and we
made that available (in mp3 form) to anyone who donated a certain minimum
amount. We raised a pretty decent amount that helped us out a little bit
with the cost of the 7" - people like buying exclusive content, especially
if you only have a limited time to get it.
Post by James Hepler
I see what you're saying, but I still wonder about market value. Your
campaign places the value of $25 on a physical copy of a cd and the donors
name in the liner notes while at the same time placing a value of $0 on the
content itself. My logical side concludes that the value is all placed on a
few ouces of plastic (which the donor can buy for very cheap and allows the
person to make their own cd) and some artwork.
iwtdi raised capital before our last record came out by offering a
subscription package. Our next two records on cd or vinyl, a cd of
unreleased songs, and a bunch of goodies like stickers and homemade totes,
copies of our 7", etc, all for $30. It was a good way to get a quick cash
infusion while avoiding the risks that accompany kickstarter campaigns. It
allows our fans, friends, and family to feel a part of something "bigger"
without making us feel like we're taking advantage of anyone. Plus, it
doesn't all collapse if you don't hit your fundraising mark.
I've also considered a dividend/profit sharing model that would also help a
band raise capital, spreading the financial risk of a project evenly among a
group of "investors" based on what they want to contribute to the cause. I
believe midtown dickens tried such a thing. I'm afraid to try something like
that, if only because you dont want to let down your biggest supporters.
I decided that this was a good way to cater to the evolution of my
career as it stands.My friends and family can help me out if they
wish. The music that results from this will be free to everyone,
regardless of donation. But some people like to have a real live CD in
their hands and they can have one with a donation. Whoever gives the
most will have me write a song of their tailoring. Their subject,
their style. I can do it so I offer it to someone who might like it
done for them.
Frankly it's just another route up the slippery slope of dead, puffy,
bloated bodies to the top of the imaginary mountain that reaches its
peak at a thing called "love and acceptance".
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James Hepler
2011-09-20 19:56:03 UTC
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I can be stupid and naive pretty often and yeah, I hadn't really thought
about scale, but I can tell you that our debt is proportional to our
standing in the music world! I'm hoping that my ability to keep this band
solvent for this long will get me into business or accounting school! I can
also tell you that by and large, we are hardly more loved by the "scene"
than you are! We've relied on reaching out to the norms to get by. Btw come
see us open for rusted root on 10/1. :)
I see what you're saying, but I sti...
campaign places the value of $25 on a physical copy of a cd and the donor=
s
name in the liner notes while at the same time placing a value of $0 on t=
he
content itself. My logical side concludes that the value is all placed on=
a
few ouces of plastic (which the donor can buy for very cheap and allows t=
he
person to make their own cd) and some artwork.
iwtdi raised capital before our last record ...
infusion while avoiding the risks that accompany kickstarter campaigns. I=
t
allows our fans, friends, and family to feel a part of something "bigger"
without making us fe...
band raise capital, spreading the financial risk of a project evenly amon=
g a
group of "investors" based on what they want to contribute to the cause. =
I
believe midtown dickens tried such a thing. I'm afraid to try something l=
ike
that, if only because you dont want to let down your biggest supporters.
I hear you James. But don't forget that your band's following, cachet
and the like dwarf my own by a considerable margin, and for good
reason. So the value of my tangible, released product is small. I am
counting on the support of the folks back home who aren't as savvy as
the folks you probably encounter every weekend. Having said that,
perhaps I could modify my approach in that regard. Probably a good
idea. Thanks.



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